Comments on: RWS council - Is it or isn’t it? http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/ All things Boy Scout and Girl Scout memorabilia collecting Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:13:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: ramore http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1579 ramore Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:10:17 +0000 http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1579 Rob, I fully agree - provenance helps but 'just because its on a uniform' doesn't necessarily make it so. I have a Sea Scout strip, I need to post it come to think of it, that says 'Kaskaskia'. Now that is a city but it is also a council. The city never had a Sea Scout ship but the council did. Further, I've got a picture of a Scouter in Sea Scout uniform with the strip and his scrap book. Rob,
I fully agree - provenance helps but ‘just because its on a uniform’ doesn’t necessarily make it so. I have a Sea Scout strip, I need to post it come to think of it, that says ‘Kaskaskia’. Now that is a city but it is also a council. The city never had a Sea Scout ship but the council did. Further, I’ve got a picture of a Scouter in Sea Scout uniform with the strip and his scrap book.

]]> By: Rob Kutz http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1578 Rob Kutz Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:50:02 +0000 http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1578 There are many examples like those cited above. When Art Hyman and I wrote/edited the RWS book series, and during the time I wrote the RWS articles for SCQ and the ISCA Journal, I always held that there had to be good provenance for calling a patch that could be both a community strip and a council strip the latter. Having it on a uniform with period items from the council certainly helps, and I would definitely not remove the strip from such a uniform, but with the price of council strips skyrocketing in recent years it wouldn't be hard for someone to add a strip to a uniform that previously held a different patch, so even a uniform shirt might not hold sway these days. The more "proof" one can muster for such a patch, the better. There are many examples like those cited above. When Art Hyman and I wrote/edited the RWS book series, and during the time I wrote the RWS articles for SCQ and the ISCA Journal, I always held that there had to be good provenance for calling a patch that could be both a community strip and a council strip the latter. Having it on a uniform with period items from the council certainly helps, and I would definitely not remove the strip from such a uniform, but with the price of council strips skyrocketing in recent years it wouldn’t be hard for someone to add a strip to a uniform that previously held a different patch, so even a uniform shirt might not hold sway these days. The more “proof” one can muster for such a patch, the better.

]]> By: David Sutherland http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1572 David Sutherland Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:16:28 +0000 http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1572 The Greenwich half-strip is indeed a community strip as council staff and commissioners would wear a Greenwich Council strip. The Greenwich half-strip is indeed a community strip as council staff and commissioners would wear a Greenwich Council strip.

]]> By: John Pannell http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1232 John Pannell Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:11:23 +0000 http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1232 There's at least one other "Boston": Boston, NY: http://www.townofboston.com/ I use this as an example as I knew it from memory. I'm sure others could be found. So, following the general rule the "Boston" half-strip should also be considered a community strip, too. There’s at least one other “Boston”: Boston, NY:

http://www.townofboston.com/

I use this as an example as I knew it from memory. I’m sure others could be found.

So, following the general rule the “Boston” half-strip should also be considered a community strip, too.

]]> By: ramore http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1229 ramore Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:54:09 +0000 http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1229 Dave, There's some 'flexibility' but as soon as it gets separated from the shirt then there needs to be some documentation (I guess a picture would help.) I've got in my collection a 'Kaskaskia' BWS (Sea Scout strip.) There is a Kaskaskia, IL as a city but the council it is in never had a Sea Scout ship. Kaskaskia Council did have a Sea Scout ship (and I have documentation about it). So I consider it a council strip. It helps that I have it .:-) Dave,
There’s some ‘flexibility’ but as soon as it gets separated from the shirt then there needs to be some documentation (I guess a picture would help.)
I’ve got in my collection a ‘Kaskaskia’ BWS (Sea Scout strip.) There is a Kaskaskia, IL as a city but the council it is in never had a Sea Scout ship. Kaskaskia Council did have a Sea Scout ship (and I have documentation about it). So I consider it a council strip. It helps that I have it .:-)

]]> By: Dave http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1228 Dave Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:19:02 +0000 http://thescoutpatchauction.com/blogsite/2007/10/19/rws-council-is-it-or-isnt-it/#comment-1228 I assume there's also some flexibility in the "rule" when the provenance is known or documented. So if a "Kit Carson" strip as pictured were found at a flea market in Albuquerque on an old shirt with a 1960s Ya-Tah-Hey-Si-Kess patch, it would be a council RWHS. (And a wise collector would certainly leave it on the shirt.) I assume there’s also some flexibility in the “rule” when the provenance is known or documented. So if a “Kit Carson” strip as pictured were found at a flea market in Albuquerque on an old shirt with a 1960s Ya-Tah-Hey-Si-Kess patch, it would be a council RWHS. (And a wise collector would certainly leave it on the shirt.)

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