Camp Sunnen 1957 Staff from Cahokia Mound

Posted on April 1st, 2009 in Camps,NOACs,OA by ramore

We’ve been helping a Scouter re-create his original merit badge sash. He recently shared some information about his Scouting history including a wonderful camp staff photo from Camp Sunnen of Cahokia Mound Council headquartered in Madison County, IL. Camp staff photos are fun but what really caught my eye was all of the staff being OA members. I’ve had numerous conversations with Paul Myers, Terry Grove and others that finding early, particularly non-NOAC/conclave, photos of OA members is not easy. Now, 1957 is not ‘early’ but its now 52 years ago as well.Here’s what Eagle Scout and Vigil Honor member James Turner Harris provided to us (click on the picture for a larger image):

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Boy Scouts of America, Cahokia Mound Council, Madison Co., Ill. – Camp Sunnen, Shirley, Mo. (on Mo. Rte. # 8) between Postosi, Mo. and Steeleville, Mo. located on Sunnen Lake owned by Sunnen Products, St. Louis, Mo.Post By: Larry Ryan
1957 Staff Photo Back To TopIn the picture:
Clay Breihan   Ed Rickert   Jim Vierling   Walt Schramm   Ony Pashea   Tim Bennett   Larry Ryan   Les Bickel   Bill Savage   Jim Harris   Frank Long   Dick Cassens   Webb Lewis   Lowell Schaefer   Tom Renz   Rich ColemanTop Row, left to right:Clay Breihan, Ed Rickert, Jim Vierling, Walt Schramm, Ony Pashea, Tom “Frenchie” Dubocheau, Don Davidson, Tim Bennett, Larry Ryan, Les Bickel

Front Row, left to right:

Bill Savage, Jim Harris, Frank Long, Dick Cassens, Webb Lewis, Lowell Schaefer, Tom Renz, Rich Coleman

Jim, a delegate to the 1956 National Order of the Arrow Conference, shared some pictures on the Cahokia 126 lodge delegation:

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This is a photo of the group from the Cahokia Mound Council #126 that went to Bloomington, Ind. in 1956.

Left to right:

Jim Chism – Granite City, Ill.

Jim Harris – Granite City, Ill.

Mickey Strange – Madison, Ill.

Carl Temple – Granite City, Ill.

Ed Rickert – Granite City, Ill.

Dick Dawkins – Collinsville, Ill.

Rollin Henn – Granite City, Ill. (to my knowledge 1st Vigil in our conf.)

Tom Temple – Granite City, Ill.

Missing:

Ronney Loos – Marine, Ill.

Walt Schramm – Edwardsville, Ill. (OA Lodge Chief)

Notice that we are all wearing the flap OA patches. As I remember, we got them not too long before we went to Bloomington. We were probably the first scouts in #126 to wear the flap patches. Also notice, that on my uniform you see the Camp Sunnen patch. The scan of my OA flap patch is the same uniform as in this photo and still has the original flap patch and also the Camp Sunnen patch on it but with a few more years added to the count.

I did not notice originally when I sent the photo but the neckerchief I am wearing .. white .. is the one that I had E. Urner Goodman sign with an ink pen while I was at the conclave. On that neckerchief was my original Cahokia #126 round, white OA patch with the chief head on it. I wish I had the neckerchief of course but I wish I had at least a photo of it. Anyway it sort of dates the switch over from the round to the flap .. circa just before the 41st OA conclave as I remember.

I remember that Dr. E. Urner Goodman was there and I was lucky enough to see him. I remember that I had a white neckerchief with the “old” round, white Cahokia OA patch on it and I got him to sign it in ink .. no sharpies (lol) back in 1956. It ran a bit and I put it away for safe keeping but it must have disappeared when I was still living at home back in the early 60s. I just remember that he seemed old and was sort of small and thin .. I think.

I know we stayed on campus at Ind. U. The only other thing that I can remember is walking to the “downtown area” by the campus and of course we had out uniforms on .. and some locals wanted to start a fight until they realized they were vastly outnumbered. I was sort of in the background and after that I headed back to the campus area .. .Ha Ha. Not a great warrior.

Unfortunately that is about it. I do have a plastic note book or pad or some thing from there that I kept and a patch and maybe some thing else but I would have to look.

I have told Roger Schestereit, Floyd Jordan in Granite City .. that we were give 5 of the “flap patches” to trade at Bloomington. I know that the flap patch that I have is from Bloomington and 1956 because I made sure my mother sewed on “the new flap patch” and took off the “old round white patch.” I wanted to be “cool and hip” I guess.

The reason I bring that up is that I have never seen the “golden” flap patch that is supposed to be the first and so rare. I do not ever remember seeing anything but the “yellow” one that I have and seemed to be the more common one. I do know that I got flap patches as soon as they were available so I am not sure how or when or why the golden one came into being.

Addendum:

James sent us pictures of the flaps he received just prior to the the NOAC in 1956. Here are the images and his comments. Click on the images to get a larger size.

Lodge 126 Cahokia flap circa 1956

Roy,

This is the very first Cahokia #126 OA flap patch that I ever got. I wore this to the 41st Natl. OA Conclave in Bloomington, Ind. some time after 8/27/1956.

That date is the date of the photo showing me wearing the patch. At the time of the photo, I had attended Camp Sunnen as a camper in 1955 and I had just finished my first year as Asst. Sports Director for the camp in summer 1956.

jim

126 Cahokia Lodge flap circa 1956, second image

Roy,

I got this patch at the same time as the one that was in the photo that I just sent you on my summer uniform. With the summer uniform, it went to camp with me in 1957, 1958 and 1959 after that photo was taken and it got WASHED and not dry cleaned. I have no idea if mom ever dry cleaned this winter uniform but if she did clean it .. it would have been DRY CLEANED and not washed. I think you can tell by the condition of the patch. It is mint except it was sewed on to the uniform.

Like I said before, I was issued these two plus 5 to trade at Bloomington (after 8/27/1956) so I still have my TWO ORIGINAL FLAP PATCHES. I also have the original round white one but it is in my collection.

I hope I have helped out a bit in dating the patches. All I can say is that I know that the ones that I have sent in the photos were issued after summer camp in 1956 and before we went to the OA conclave and as I remember they are the original color patches and all of us who went to Bloomington got them and we should have been the first to receive them.

Hard to remember back 53 years ago though.

jim

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  1. Dave Pede said,

    on April 7th, 2009 at 8:23 am

    Roy, Jim makes references to a ‘Golden’ flap. Is he refering to the Orange twill? Did he send you an actual scan of the flap from his shirt that he talks about? Can you post this image? It would be very interesting to see this as I have heard that the Orange twill was not the first issue in the past.
    Dave

  2. ramore said,

    on April 7th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Dave,
    I too was curious about what his patches looked like. He sent me pictures and his recollections which I have now added to the blog. Take a look. He is NOT referring to what I think of as the ORANGE twill although in the black and white photo the twill looks darker than normal but he was there. I wasn’t. What do you think?
    Regards,
    Roy

  3. Dave Pede said,

    on April 7th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    I believe these images are adding some fuel to my fire about the existence of a distinct variety within the Gear shaped twill flaps. I am attaching an image that you can post of 4 of my yellow twill 126 flaps. Study them for a minute as one is unique (other than shades of yellow). That one being the same flap as Jim’s first flap. From discussions I have had I believe that Gear had two looms one smaller, possibly older or their first, and a second larger loom. The flaps made off of these two machines are identifiable different, even though they were probably run from the same punch patterns. The differences are that the overall flap length is shorter by several millimeters and the border itself is narrower by a millimeter on the earlier flap. My guess is that Gear started off with a particular loom and later upgraded to a newer better model. It does not necessarily mean that they did not use both machines together. This is strictly my opinion but I believe that this helps my identify the smaller version flaps to be the earlier editions. I have this same anomaly with the 115 Cascasquia flap as well.

  4. Dave Pede said,

    on April 7th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    It would be interesting to speak with Dennis Sydloski on this as he was close with them at one time. Also the 3rd flap from the top is the unique one. I wonder how many more of these are out there yet to be discovered as varieties or the true first flap.


  5. on May 5th, 2009 at 4:06 am

    […] sharing of some rememberances, and patches, from Cahokia Mound Council and Cahokia Lodge 126 got Illinois collector and Blue Book Regional Editor Dave Pede in an e-mail discussion concerning […]

  6. Ed Conley said,

    on August 24th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    I went toSunnen the first or second year that it was open. Got my OA in 56. Interesting comments only name I recognized wasMickeyStrange

  7. ramore said,

    on August 25th, 2012 at 3:48 am

    Ed,
    Thanks for checking in. So – what do you remember from the Camp? From the OA back then?

  8. Ed Conley said,

    on August 25th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Lost the site, had a bit of a problem getting back. I went to Sunnen 54, 55 and 56. My scoutmaster was Don Bright (Troop 10) Granite City. Found a few postcards that I sent home. Never really got involved in OA, remember the mud cave at Sunnen, and my canoe spring a leak out in the lake.

  9. Gerald Walters said,

    on September 17th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    I was a member of Troop 12, at Niedringhaus school in Granite City. I attended Camp Sunnen at least 2 times and maybe 4. In my first year, I believe Bill Savage was my instructor for the life-saving merit badge. He was tough on us.

  10. Wayne Robinson said,

    on February 3rd, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    Did any of you ever go to Camp Graham?

  11. MAXINE ARST said,

    on April 15th, 2016 at 12:38 pm

    My father, Dr Harry Epstein from Granite City was the one who discovered the site for the Cahokia Mound Scouts. He had been going to Trout Lodge every summer. He returned with a committe, (Rollin Henn was with him), and they purchased and built the camp. Despite the fact that my brother had died at age 17 from an accident, my dad stayed active the
    rest of his life in the scouts, and received the Silver Beaver Award. He lived to age 92. My husband, children, & I continued to go to Trout Lodge for many years. My son was very young when we took him there, but he still remembers it well. We now live in Florida,
    and our son lives in Wichita. We have signed up for a Road Scholar program
    from Aug. 28-Sept.2 at Trout Lodge. It will be a surprise event for our son to celebrate
    his 62nd birthday! He is blind since infancy.

    Is the camp still there?

  12. ramore said,

    on April 15th, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    Yes Lewis Clark Council still operates Camp Sunnen along with several others. See their web-site. Now the council is in integration discussions with Greater St. Louis Area Council so there may be changes to the camp holdings that they operate.

  13. Jerry Klaas said,

    on August 3rd, 2016 at 11:19 am

    Maxine,
    Many thanks to your father and your family. I’m on the young end of the spectrum. I started camping at Sunnen in 1985 and worked on Staff starting in 1990 and for many years after that. If they decide to integrate into GSLAC I hope they choose to preserve Camp Sunnen.

  14. Matthew Staden said,

    on June 11th, 2021 at 9:35 pm

    I still use my 1974 Order of the Arrow Patch on my uniform in the National Capital Council to this day

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