Live Blogging the Jambo - The OA Mysterium

Posted on July 26th, 2010 in Jamborees, OA, Podcasts by ramore

We got a preview of the OA Mysterium while they were setting up. A previous post had some stills, here’s a little video to give a taste of some of what is in this special exhibit.

 
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Prepping for the Jambo

Posted on July 26th, 2010 in Camps, Insignia, Jamborees, OA by ramore

Sam Fairchild through his Scouting Century Foundation is putting on a special museum display at the Jamboree. Now the Foundation has significant holdings but it was needing a few pieces for their displays. Sam flew in and we went through my camp patch collection to help fill in a few holes. Particularly we were matching up camp patches as best as we could that were contemporary with the formation of the the various lodges.

We also provided some patches for other areas of the display:

Explorer Service Scout Honor Guard for Mackinac Island

Segregated Scout Camp in Central Florida Council

Canalino Lodge 90 Sun Dance Camp 1948

Red Jacket Council - merged in 1939

Red Jacket Council - merged in 1939

While we were working on this collector Rick Hubbard of Iowa drove in to personally deliver some incredibly rare, vintage Jamboree staff armbands (see the cell phone picture below)

The loan was made a local restaurant. We got some interesting looks from the wait staff as we carefully laid out these armbands.

The display at the Jamboree will be the most extensive of its kind. Not to be seen at the National Museum and of a different take than the best permanent display which is at the Las Vegas International Scouting Museum.

Over at the Collections Merit Badge  & ISCA booth we’ll be smashing pennies again, technically called ‘elongates’ for the cost of a penny (or free if you don’t have one as a Scout is prepared and we have a supply of pennies.)

Some OA Prices Realized circa 1970

Posted on July 13th, 2010 in Hobby Trends, OA by ramore

Destry was recently back home in southern Illinois visiting with family and friends and doing some patch digging. Among the things he picked up was an original printing of the prices realized from the sale of the Don Dennison Order of the Arrow collection in 1970. Don was the sponsor/organizer of the Amaquansippi Trail and Trade-o-rees back during that time period. This trail and the TOR brought folks in from multiple states away. It was one of the most popular trails in the area and their patches are still actively collected.

I scanned in the print-out. See the PDF in the following link:

Prices Realized from sale of Don Dennison OA collection 1970

This was pre-Blue Book, as most of today’s collectors know the Blue Book, and pre-Arapaho. Actually there was a Blue Book that Dave Leubitz sold around that time. It contained lodge names and numbers and the types of issues they issued but no detail and nothing on sequence (although the way the shapes were listed implied the issue sequence as we knew it at the time.) Thus in the listing, you don’t see ‘F1 first flap’ but you do see F c/e (cut-edge) with a border color and background color that allows you to infer the issue.

There were very few patches that sold over $100. Some were:

The lodge 8 Unilachtigo solid round fake at $117.76. Go figure. Its around $25 today. A 47 Hanigus R3 was the most expensive at $150. More than the 155 R ($110), the 177 Victorio F1 at $46.77 (remember this was only a 6 year old patch at the time). A 448 Wapagoklos with a needlebreak sold for $137.50 and a 526 Nahak sold for $126.

Interesting use for neckerchiefs

Posted on February 15th, 2010 in Hobby Trends, OA, Section Conclaves by ramore

One of the fun things about this hobby is that there are surprises even after four decades of collecting. A new one on me was a recent eBay offering. Someone had taken some lodge and conclave neckerchiefs and made them into a blanket. I’ve seen this done before many times. But… someone cut up the blanket and made the pieces into hot pads! Now that’s different.

So, when you think you’ve seen it all, you probably haven’t. Any out there want a bunch of Scout neckerchiefs to start the newest collecting craze - Boy Scout oven pads? Its going to be hot! (Ouch.)

Off and running - 100th Anniverary Patches Ramping Up

Posted on February 8th, 2010 in CSP, Camps, Hobby News, Hobby Trends, Insignia, JSP, Jamborees, OA, Rank by ramore

Last week I was at my Scout office for a meeting and stopped by the trading post. They have the new boy rank patches out commerating the 100th anniversary year of the BSA. I think these are neat but the quality control is poor. There are at least three major varieties in this group alone. Some appear to have been made by the BSA. Others have ‘Made in China’ stickers on the back. The latter is a separate sore point but we’ll leave that for another blog. Anyway, variety collectors are going to have a field day figuring these out. I’m told there’s an Eagle patch as well but I’ve not seen it. I’ve also been told that Scout shops are to have returned their inventory of the regular items so as to be replaced with these 2010 pieces.

Then Destry and I went to the Indy TOR this past weekend. Their hospitality was great as always (except for the 9″ of snow.) Several councils now have out 2010 patches. That got me asking around how many items do you think we’ll have for the 100th anniversary? By “items” I mean regular issue pieces - CSPs, JSPs, OA items. I’m figuring it will be up to 5,000. Could be more. And this is not counting camp and camporee items or Jamboree staff items. One could spend a lifetime just to collect this year. Also, I was hearing quotes for “rare, limited edition” varieties at huge prices. Councils and lodges could kill a good thing. If you know of some egregious abuses, please pass on the comment. Thanks.

More fakes from the Phillipines

Posted on January 5th, 2010 in Camps, Fakes, OA by ramore

eBay seller freedomfifty2k has been out for a while with more fake Boy Scout patches produced in the Philippines. He’s had some Canal Zone Council 1960s era canoe race activity patches but now he’s running a lodge 391 Chiriqui fake flap and a fake of the Camp El-Vol-Can patch. See below. His story is that these came from a Scouter who was a US Navy Chief that served in Vietnam. Doubtful. He says these patches were “worn by members of the a Boy Scouts of Canal Zone, Order of the Arrow (OA) Chiriqui Lodge 391, CZ Panama.” NOT Oh well. Buyer beware. It looks like folks are on to these not being real based upon bidding but certainly not from anything this seller is saying. eBay benefits financially from these fakes so they won’t do much to stop them which leaves it up to the hobby.

Fake El Vol Can patch

Boy Scout camp El Volcan fake patch

Boy Scout camp El Volcan fake patch

The real El-Vol-Can 1950 patch - white flock printing on blue felt. (This is from my collection. The piece that’s really interesting, IMHO, is the envelope corner from Canal Zone Council from 1950.)

Real Boy Scout Camp El Volcan patch from 1950

Real Boy Scout Camp El Volcan patch from 1950

Fake Lodge 391 Chiriqui flap

Fake OA Lodge 391 flap

Fake OA Lodge 391 flap

Wisconsin Collector Tony Lazewski Passes Away

Posted on September 9th, 2009 in Hobby News, OA by ramore

From Kurt Hansen out of Wisconsin. Tony was one of the mainstays of Wisconsin collectors. He was a regular at the US Grant Pilgrimages and Calumet TOR as well as Milwaukee and Tichora TORs. He will be missed.

Dear Friends,

It is with great sadness that I write to let you know that our friend Tony
Lazewski has passed away. Tony was diagnosed with brain cancer last year and
underwent treatment. Unfortunately, it recurred this summer. He died
peacefully at Hospice with his family at his bedside.

Tony’s contribution to Scouting (despite having two daughters) was great. He
worked with a local troop for many years. He served as the Lodge Advisor for
Tichora Lodge for 8 years and was a key advisor when Chemokomen and Tichora
Lodges merged to form Takoda. He was, of course, a Silver Beaver recipient.

Tony was born in Antigo, Wisconsin, and grew up in Samoset Council and Tom
Kita Chara Lodge. He was an Eagle Scout and camp staffer at Camp Tesomas in
his youth. He attended 48 consecutive Fall Conferences for Tom Kita Chara
Lodge only missing his first one this year when he was too ill to travel. He
also loved the OA Section conclaves and attended enumerable of those
conferences.

Tony was an avid Scout historian and patch collector. He started collecting
patches in 1960. His knowledge of Scouting and Scout camps in Wisconsin was
unsurpassed. He was always willing to share his knowledge and was the OA
editor for the Scouting Collectors Quarterly. He researched and co-authored
“The First 90 Years”, the history of Four Lakes Council with myself and
others.

Although we all remember Tony as a Scouter and patch collector, his family
always came first. He was a terrific husband, father, and son. He leaves
behind his wife Barbara, daughters Lisa and Laura, and father Barnie.

His daughter sent out the information below about his funeral. If you can’t
attend I know that his family would enjoy hearing from you, and I have
included their address as well. I find myself in Europe at this sad time and
do not anticipate making it back in time for the funeral. Tony and I spent
countless hours together talking patches during the past decade and
especially during the last year. The personal loss that I feel is more than
I can express here. He was a close friend and I already miss him.

Kurt

The First 202 J’s Change Hands at Pre-NOAC TOR

Posted on August 3rd, 2009 in OA by ramore

A seldom seen pair of patches, the first jacket patches from Chicksa Lodge 202, changed hands at the pre-NOAC TOR. As Bruce and Dave discussed in their recent ISCA article, a lot of the high-end patches are privately placed thus most in the hobby do not see them offered or know if they sold. The asking price on the pair was $10,250. They sold for a little less than this before the TOR was over.

Here’s the 202 J2 - the harder of the two. As the original owner said, “Locally these are referred to as the Prince Watkins issues.” He believes there are only six (6) of the J2’s. They are Asian embroidered and came out in the early 1970s (approximately 1972 for the J2).

How many lodge items for this NOAC?

Posted on August 2nd, 2009 in NOACs, OA by ramore

I don’t know what the record is for the number of lodge items issued for a NOAC but we could shatter it. I polled many senior collectors and the consensus number is 1,500 new items or about 5 per lodge (this is counting 2-piece sets as two). Even folks who thought their lodge was not a patch whore started counting the number of pieces and came up with 5 or 7 items. The typical mass-producers were at 10 or more items. Take that against approximately 300 lodges, with some lodges not being represented, and 1,500 seems to be the target.

We’ve taken over the management and publication of the OA Blue Book so we’re heading home from pre-NOAC to see that the system can handle all of these new additions. What an undertaking.

Michigan State for 2012 NOAC?

Posted on August 2nd, 2009 in BSA Info, NOACs by ramore

Late Update 8/5/09: The OA Committee confirmed at the end of NOAC that the next NOAC is 2012 at MSU. MSU could provide up to 17,000 dorm rooms. The Committee is looking for an attendance of around 9,000 for this NOAC. MSU is also a candidate for the 2015 100th anniverasary NOAC where attendance could be 15,000.

Looks like Michigan State (MSU) is the likely site for the next National Order of the Arrow Conference. The original plans had been to go back to Iowa State but ISU is re-doing a number of dorms, including demolition of existing dorms, such that they could only host 4,200 participants. Clearly not enough.

In re-opening the site selection we heard that Penn State also has a proposal in for consideration. Some of the problems though with PSU is getting there is not easy. It would be a different venue which can be interesting but, having been on the staff side of these events, ease of logistics trumps a LOT of other considerations.

MSU appears to be getting quite aggressive in their bidding. They have a team visiting this conference. They toured the pre-NOAC TOR. The TOR was such a success that they are looking at central facilities on campus. The original thought had been a field house that was two miles away from the main residential halls but now they are trying to find alternatives, and have some, that are right in the heart of where we would have the NOAC.

It appears that MSU, which were ambivalent hosts for the 2006 NOAC, got a strong message from the local community of how great it was to have the Scouts in town. Also, there is new leadership at the university that has gotten more entreprenurial and inviting. Basically they are bending over backwards from what I hear to try and get the conference.

Some might wonder why these mid-west universities. Its because of their size. These campuses typically have 35,000 - 45,000 students and were built on wide open spaces. While I am located near the University of MIchigan it just does not have the extra dorm space nor the required facilities close in to the dorms to make it an easy site.

Unfortunately we’ll be back to a 3 year gap in conferences so as to not land on a jamboree year. There’s talk of another National Indian Seminar to be held in Asheville, NC for one of the intervening years.

The decision on MSU is not final. It probably won’t be made until the December planning conference given that there’s still plenty of lead time. We shall see.


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