More information on Camp Big Island

Posted on February 23rd, 2009 in Camps,OA by ramore

Ah the internet is wonderful for our hobby. An earlier post shared some information about Anthony Wayne Area Council’s Camp Big Island. A former staff member saw it and commented. I asked for some follow-up. Here’s what staff member David Moses provided.

He sent a great picture of several of the early felts from Camp Big Island: Click on it to see a bigger image.

1940s era Camp Big Island patches, Fort Wayne, Indiana

Plus he provided some history and wonderful pictures of the camp that are in the article below. He includes some information about Kiskakon lodge 75 as well.

Camp Big Island

Anthony Wayne Area Council

Fort Wayne, Indiana

 

Camp Big Island staff patch felt

My brother had attended Camp Big Island as a camper and as a staff member, so by the time I was eligible to attend, I knew a bit about the place.  Camp Big Island, the Anthony Wayne Council’s summer camp, was located on Sylvan Lake about six miles northwest of Kendallville, IN and about one-and-a-half miles southeast of Rome City, IN.  There was a parking lot in the woods on the mainland that sloped down to a landing dock.  This parking lot was a wooded but grassless area that quickly became slick with mud with only a small amount of rain.  Campers, parents, supplies, staff and everything else needed to run the camp had to be transported from the mainland via an old life boat that would hold fifteen or twenty people and some of their gear.  The boat was equipped with a gasoline engine fixed onto the tiller.  There was also a pontoon raft with an outboard engine that was used to carry camping gear, supplies and larger pieces of equipment.  Upon landing at the dock on the island and finding your gear, it was necessary to carry it to one of about fifteen cabins that would be home for the week.  Each cabin was set on a wooden platform and was screened in on all four sides with a solid roof overhead.  There were canvas sides that could be rolled down in case of inclement weather.  Each cabin contained space for eight to ten campers in double deck bunks.  Gear went under the bottom bunks.  Troop leaders, wishing to retain at least some sanity during the week, slept in different cabins away from their charges.  In any given week there would be from one hundred to one hundred twenty campers plus their leaders and a resident camp staff of about twenty.

 

We ate in the dining hall that accommodated all of the campers and staff at one time.  Service was family style and each table designated one person to pick up the food from the kitchen.  Others would be responsible for clearing the tables after the meal and following the noon and evening meals, the staff would lead singing.

Camp Big Island dining hall circa 1947

 

A favorite spot after lunch and dinner was the concession stand.  This building, similar to most of the others except for the cabins, was painted a nondescript yellow and contained in addition to the concession stand the camp offices.  This is also where a camper would obtain craft supplies.  I can only imagine how many yards of boondoggle, a simple, extruded plastic lace for those who don’t remember, were sold for making lanyards and bracelets.  The stand also carried a limited supply of candy bars.

Camp Big Island pictures circa 1947

Activities during the week included crafts, swimming, canoeing and boating, games and classes to help earn higher rank and merit badges.  There were also cabins to keep clean, ceremonies to attend, meals to serve, fire watch at night to walk and other things to keep one busy.  If you worked hard and learned, at the end of the week you were rewarded with a special patch.  I went to Camp Big Island as a camper five years and the fourth year, much to my dismay, I did not satisfy the requirements in the eyes of one of the counselors and I did not get a badge that year.  It was a crushing blow.

 

One of the popular games that took place after dark one evening of the week was “Capture the Flag.” The entire camp was divided into two teams and the camp was divided into two sections.  Each team had to display their flag within reach from the ground and then defend it from the other team.  It was a very rough commando style game.  You had to go into the other team’s area to capture their flag, but at the risk of being captured yourself.  Rough, but everybody was friendly at breakfast the next morning.  This was during and soon after WWII and we were practicing being Rangers.

Anthony Wayne Area Council Order of the Arrow Kiskakon lodge 75 Camp Big Island pictures circa 1947

Camp Big Island was in fact connected to the mainland via a marshy area that seldom had enough water in it to take a boat through but not really dry enough to walk over.  The center of the island was a swamp complete with rattle snakes.  There was a nature trail that ran around the perimeter of the island where one could see and hear many kinds of birds and view poison ivy and poison sumac naturally growing.

 

One evening late in each week at camp there was a ceremony to call out new members of the Order of the Arrow.  It was a dramatic event with several staff members dressed in Native American costumes, a large ceremonial fire and lots of anticipation on the part of those attending.  (The headdresses are ones that I made.)

Camp Big Island pictures circa 1947

I went to camp two more years, but as a counselor and stayed all summer long.  In the summer of 1949, I was a counselor in camp crafts.   I taught things like fire building, camp cooking, knot tying, and how to make simple things by lashing limbs together.  In the summer of 1950,r I worked on the water front teaching swimming and rowing.

 

Many years before the island was a Boy Scout Camp my grandmother picked berries on the island, arriving there by boat from the far end of Sylvan Lake where my grandparents had a cottage.  At that time, she said the island was called Rattle Snake Island and she took a rifle with her while picking berries for protection in case one of the rattlers showed up.

 

Here we go again – Grand Teton KRS when the council didn’t even exist

Posted on February 23rd, 2009 in Fakes,KRS and others,RWS by ramore

A friend just forwarded a link from eBay of the sale of a khaki and red strip for Grand Teton Council. After looking at it, my first thought was “Give me a f’ing break.”

grandtetonfake.jpg

The description says “This Auction is for a Grand Teton Council Thank You patch. Old School Khaki and Red Full Strip”

Now I don’t know what a “Thank You patch” is. I’m not sure what is meant by “Old School”, but khaki and red strips (KRS) were discontinued in 1953. He also has a red and white strip like this up that he also calls “Old School”.

More importantly, this council did not come into existence until 1993 as a result of a merger with Tendoy Area Council and Teton Peaks. Further, one can’t tell if this was issued by the council or not. As for “Thank you”, I’d certainly say that to anyone who would pay me $49.99, what he’s asking, for a patch that cost $1 to make.

Time to move on, and not bid….

CSP collector Bob Sleeper passes

Posted on February 18th, 2009 in Hobby News by ramore

Just got this note from Al Hoogeveen that Bob Sleeper died recently. Bob was at the Dallas TOR and was a long time, active collector of CSPs.

Profound Statements – some levity during serious times

Posted on February 17th, 2009 in General Commentary on Life,Hobby Trends by ramore

There’s an e-mail making the rounds that I thought was worth saving here for posterity. It gives a chuckle more so that some of these statements go back hundreds of years. We are in some messed up times. Government ‘coming to the rescue’ is really us – we are the government. The mint might print the money but we are the ones who pay for it. That being said, there are such things as public goods – items that individuals can’t afford but want and thus only happen if we all pitch in (e.g., the Interstate system comes to mind).

We, the country, will be paying for mis-deeds of a few and the complicity of many. “Bankers” on Wall Street were alchemists turning lead into gold but like all such alchemy it truly was just lead and its weighing us down. These bankers thought it normal to make $10million, $20million, or more per year for shuffling paper around. The original purpose of their endeavors, securitization of financial obligations, was a productive use but it got too carried away to the point they were paying folks to sign their name on increasingly bad loans.

This is a blog about patches so how does this relate? Well, there are corrollaries. Why are the values of our items holding up? Because they weren’t made to necessarily be collectibles. Because the program creates strong emotional attachments that last a life time. Its supply and demand. As those remain solid then the hobby will remain solid.

So if without further ado:

Profound Statements

1. In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress.
— John Adams

2. If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.
— Mark Twain

3. Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But then I repeat myself.
— Mark Twain

4. I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle …
— Winston Churchill

5. A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
— George Bernard Shaw

6. A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.
— G. Gordon Liddy

7. Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
— James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)

8. Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money frompoor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.
— Douglas Casey, Classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown University

9. Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
— P.J. O’Rourke, Civil Libertarian

10. Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.
— Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)

11. Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
— Ronald Reagan (1986)

12. I don’t make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.
— Will Rogers

13. If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it’s free!
— P.J. O’Rourke

14. In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.
— Voltaire (1764)

15. Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn’t mean politics won’t take an interest in you!
— Pericles (430 B.C.)

16. No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
— Mark Twain (1866)

17. Talk is cheap…except when Congress does it.
— Anonymous

18. The government is like a baby’s alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
— Ronald Reagan

19. The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
— Winston Churchill

20. The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin.
— Mark Twain

21. The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
— Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)

22. There is no distinctly native American criminal class…save Congress.
— Mark Twain

23. What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.
— Edward Langley, Artist (1928-1995)

24. A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
— Thomas Jefferson

The Camps of Anthony Wayne (Fort Wayne, IN) Council

Posted on February 13th, 2009 in Camps,OA,Trade-o-rees by ramore

Last weekend Destry and I attended the Indy TOR, another great regional one, and got to visiting with Dave Ramp, Paul Myers and Dennis Sydloski about the camps of Anthony Wayne Area Council (AWAC). AWAC is headquartered in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Its one of those mid-west councils that is strong but was even stronger years ago and has a very rich camp history. What brought this up was I recently acquired a Camp Limberlost patch.

Camp Limberlost circa 1929 Anthony Wayne Area Council

I was not sure when it was used but Dave filled in the information:

Hi Roy,   The Camp Limberlost patch has the blue backing teepee which is a staff patch, plus the orange teepee which represents a third year at Camp. I have the C/L patch with just the blue backing. which could represent a first year staffer or a 2nd year as a staffer (just not sure as I need written doc. on these practices). Have several others on sashes, but need to look at them again (on display at the Council Office), and they came from a youth staff member. Also have a C/I on sash from this fellows brother. Both were younger brothers of Harvey Price later to become Chief Scout Exect.  They would date from after 1929 (1st year of camp which issued a patch on it’s maiden year plus 1 to 3 years and ran thru 1934 when the Limberlost property went back to the estate of Jean Stratton Porter  because the Council couldn’t make the morgage payment and moved the camp unto Big Island across the frozen Sylvan Lake. It then became Camp Island in 1935-36. In 1937 the name was change to Camp Big Island. The red and green silkscreened 1937 & 1938 were used, and I’m very sure blue ones exist for staff. In 1939 the embrodied on felt patches were started. They exist in red, maroon, green , and blue for staff, and continued dated until 1946 when they went to 1st year, 2nd year etc, thru 6th year in red, green and blue. The last in this series started around 1949 or 1950 (not sure) with just Big Island/Camp in red & maroon or on the blue staff just- Big Island. These ended around 1951 or 1952 when the twills went into use.     Rather confusing and complex for a rather small camp. I figure that there could be nearly 60 different felt patches, plus there are several minor varities of the Indian Head on several differnt years. Other items exist such as green segments (7 known) for various achievements. If one earned 3 of these in a year he got a year dated segment and these date from 1951-1955 and are very hard to find.  Your Sixth Year Camper patch is very hard to find. I don’t have it, but Paul Meyers does. All in all Big Island is a very interesting Camp to collect. Hope this helps you understand the sequence of these patches. I think my collection may be the largest, but then I might be wrong, but Paul M. has less than I do, but have not seen his sashes from AWAC.      YiS,  Dave      

Camp Big Island camp patches circa 1938 Anthony Wayne Area Council Fort Wayne, IN

Part of what makes this camp and council so interesting is that it is home to one of the toughest old names for Order of the Arrow lodges – Miami Lodge 75 that chartered in 1935 and changed to Kiskakon Lodge 75 in 1938. We’re in the process of brokering one of the few surviving patches from this lodge. See below:

OA Miami Lodge 75 Fort Wayne, IN

New find? Different Air Scout Aviation merit badge

Posted on February 12th, 2009 in Merit Badges by ramore

We recently received a merit badge sash with an Air Scout blue Aviation merit badge but with major differences in the red embroidery. See below – standard variety on the left, strange/new variety on the right. Differences are in the prop, nose cone and detailing on the tail fins. Maybe this variation has been reported and we just missed it but I don’t think so. Maybe someone can provide some more insight or background. The rest of the sash had other narrow tan crimped merit badges. No fine twills so I’d date it to late 1930s to very early 1940s.

Air Scout aviation merit badge varieties

Nows it Jamboree 2013 – Near Washington, D.C.

Posted on February 12th, 2009 in Jamborees,NOACs by ramore

I heard in December that the next National Jamboree was set for 2013 but the location was still under review (Arkansas, West Virginia, and eastern mid-Atlantic states were in the final round). A press release is now out with the following confirming a site in the mid-Atlantic, likely Camp Goshen of National Capital Area Council. This puts us back to what would be the standard four-year rotation (i.e., we should have had a Jamboree this year and then again in 2013).  Although this requires a new site and thus a lot to do which made some some sense for the 2015 date, my guess is National wants the money they raise from the Jamboree and thus are pulling the date ahead. Unfortunately this also impacts the scheduling of National Order of the Arrow Conferences as a normal progression would have been 2009, 2011, 2013, 2015.

DALLAS, Feb. 11 /PRNewswire/ — As on outgrowth of an 18-month process aimed at establishing a permanent home for its iconic event, the national Scout jamboree, the Boy Scouts of America announced today that it will enter negotiations with sites in Virginia and West Virginia to explore the vision of a National Scouting Center. The National Scouting Center will comprise three major areas of focus: the permanent home for the national Scout jamboree, a new high-adventure base, and expanded opportunities for national leadership and outdoor skills training. The vision for a National Scouting Center evolved from an intensive, highly competitive site selection process that drew 80 proposals from 28 states.

The site selection process, referred to as Project Arrow, was overseen by a committee that narrowed submissions to three outstanding finalist proposals from Virginia, West Virginia, and Arkansas. Today, after serious and thorough consideration, the BSA’s National Executive Board took action to proceed with further investigation and negotiations with Virginia and West Virginia. Plans call for placement of the permanent home for the BSA’s national jamboree in Goshen, Rockbridge County, Virginia, and the new high-adventure base in Fayette and Raleigh counties, West Virginia.

“This new vision of a National Scouting Center represents an incredible opportunity for the BSA, our Scouts, and the nation. In its entirety, the center will offer a new American landmark-a multipurpose, year-round destination for Scouting activities that will become the epicenter for the best that Scouting has to offer,” said Jack D. Furst, chairman of the Project Arrow Committee and retired partner of the private equity firm HM Capital Partners. “It will be a dynamic place where people from all over this country and the world come together to share their common values, partake in America’s best leadership programs, and challenge themselves through rigorous outdoor activities.”

Furst noted that although an important step has been taken, there is still much work to be done. “We are moving from vision to reality, and there is still much process to go through.”

“Serving as the home for the Boy Scouts’ national Scout jamboree is a great honor for the commonwealth of Virginia,” said Patrick O. Gottschalk, Virginia secretary of commerce and trade. “We are committed to this process and know that we have a tremendous amount to offer in the long term to this time-honored celebration and the organizational goals of the Boy Scouts.”

Kelley Goes, cabinet secretary of the West Virginia Department of Commerce, says her state is eager to continue progress with the BSA. “We appreciate the Boy Scouts’ recognition of what our land has to offer with its spectacular and diverse topography. There are opportunities to bring new adventure outlets to Scouts, and we look forward to continuing this discussion.”

Experiential learning activities, such as the ones offered at BSA high- adventure bases and the national jamboree, are a core element to fulfilling the BSA’s mission of serving America’s youth with character-building opportunities. Both the jamboree and high-adventure bases reflect the skills and values of Scouting — appreciation for the outdoors, physical fitness, environmental conservation, and understanding our national heritage.

Every four years, the BSA hosts a 10-day jamboree celebration that draws more than 240,000 Scouts, volunteers, vendors, and visitors. Annually, the BSA’s three existing high-adventure bases, Philmont, Northern Tier, and Florida Sea Base, serve more than 50,000 youth — with 20,000 more wait- listed. The new proposed adventure base would complement the existing three and help meet the demand for high-adventure activities with completely new programs not offered elsewhere.

Furst says the BSA extends its sincere thanks to the jamboree site finalist in Saline County, Arkansas. “We are so grateful to Governor Beebe and the officials of Arkansas for providing us such a compelling option, and showcasing their state’s great leadership. Their incredible site had many outstanding elements,” Furst said.

Among other criteria that were considered, potential jamboree sites were
to:
*  Have spectacular natural beauty
*  Have water for recreational activities
*  Be at least 5,000 acres and available for donation, long-term lease
(100-plus years), or sale
*  Be within 25 miles of an interstate or a four-lane divided highway
*  Be within 150 miles of a commercial service airport with medium or
large hub status
*  Be in an area with adequate medical services
*  Be accessible year-round via standard modes of transportation

California’s first flap?

Posted on February 4th, 2009 in OA by ramore

We’re always getting in interesting patches on consignment. One we have up right now is the 375 Machek N’Gult, interesting lodge name that, Eden chapter flap. As I mentioned in the auction description, I was talking with long time California collector Dave Minnihan about the patch at the Dallas TOR. Both Dave and I think that it pre-dates the regular issue first flap from 375.

Boy Scout OA lodge 375 Eden chapter flap

I just got an e-mail from another long time collector Joe Maloy. He passed on the information that another long time collector Alan O’Connor believes this to be the first flap within the entire state of California. Alan has been a little off the radar screens these days, at least on a national basis but he along with Dr. Morley were the authors of the Green Book of California OA issues. These books, there were two editions, pre-date the OA Blue Book by nearly 20 years. It was as detailed, and arguably more detailed, in documenting varieties than the Blue Book. Thus I take Alan’s knowledge very seriously about this. It would be great to hear from someone who was a member of this lodge and especially this chapter at that time. Also would be great to get a picture of lodge members wearing this flap.


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