New Region Reference Site

Posted on December 29th, 2003 in Regions by dhoffard

Bill Layman is working on a reference web-site for region patches and insignia. Its worth a look.

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4/2007 update – this site seems to no longer to be active. We’ve tried to contact Bill to find out what’s up and get no reply. Anyone else know anything more?

478 Wisumahi design history

Posted on December 24th, 2003 in OA by ramore

Got this in from Joe Rosenthal regarding the design on the Wisumahi 478 flaps:

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The S1 was designed by a good friend of mine in the lodge, Bob Dick. He was a patch trader of some repute in those days…the only “true” patch trader in the lodge then. Bob designed the S1 in such a way that it stood out and would be very desireable. Two of the patches he used as examples back then were the Ashie flap(FF) and the San Gorgonio nc patch (X1, in today’s parlance) because he thought the solidly embroidered patches were more eye-catching. The double-headed bird is another story that I will tell you later…if you wish to hear it…

I was Chief of Wisumahi in 1959 and that was the year we ended the reign of the S1’s. It was all the fault of my Mom: she noted to me that the patch was too big for the pocket flap and suggested that, when the lodge ordered new ones, we make them smaller. Hence the S2!

To think, we paid $1.00 for the S1 in 1955!

Okay, here is the story, but first a few facts…

(1) Most of this story is remembered by two other Lodge Chiefs from Wisumahi, Larry Grace (our first Chief) and Vern Evans (our second Chief), both of whom I am still in contact with.

(2) We have still not been able to find Bob, the major designer, but I have some more leads…I have been looking for over a year.

(3) I was the 8th Lodge Chief, but Bob was a very good friend in my early days in the lodge. We went to various Fellowships, Conclaves etc. during the 50’s. In fact, he arranged for two of us (Ted Tudor (the 9th Lodge Chief) to receive our Brotherhood at the 1955 Canalino Sundance. Bob was a good friend, to say the least.

The first 478 patch was the round type (probably not what the BB calls R1a, but R4b) and it was completely restricted: one per member, given out at the end of the Ordeal already sewed to the nc. So, it was not a candidate for traders. The R1a was produced for a short time in order to have something to trade, but, in truth, it is not a very inspirational patch.

Well, the guys came back from the Irvine Jamboree (Larry and Vern) and were all enthusiastic about flaps, having seen a few there. Bob, our only really serious patch trader, volunteered (enlightened self-interest?) to take on the task. That was ca. 1954, the year I was inducted into Wisumahi. I remember the year well because we did not have a flap the year I was inducted.

Since Bob was a patch trader he wanted a real “zinger” of a patch and he thought the solidly embroidered ones were the most spectacular. The idea was sold to the Lodge and an adult was asked to give guidance to Bob. That adult was Andy Bisaccia, a District Exec, who had a lot of artistic talent. Parenthetically, Andy was the person from whom I learned how to do beadwork: he was very adept a woodcarving, beadworking, leatherwork, etc.

After the decision was made to have a fully embroidered flap, the hard part was tackled, design. Three elements were easy: Wisumahi, Lodge 478, and an Arrowhead (Arrowhead Area Council and “Wisumahi” = “Arrowhead” in Lakota). However, how many ways can one make a spectacular patch only using an arrowhead…probably from zero to none. So, Bob expanded his horizons and began to consider other design elements. An eagle came to mind because it is a spectacular bird and could fill up the field on a flap. At this point Andy weighed in with the notion that symmetry would be desireable and suggested a double-headed eagle like the old German ones. The idea changed slightly when they decided to extend the beak of the bird, again, for the purposes of symmetry and filling the field. So, that is how the double-headed bird came about, a “totem’ that had absolutely nothing to do with Arrowhead Area Council, our Lodge, or the environs in which we lived!

The Arrowhead was added to the patch in the center and, now, all that was needed was a color scheme. Here, Bob took over and tried to make the patch as different from any others and as showy as he could imagine without being ridiculous. Hence, the unusual color scheme.

Geer made the patch for us and it was available at the 1955 Ordeal…Bob also became Chief at that Ordeal.

(An interesting aside: Dave Minnihan, the BB -Wisumahi Editor, told me he ran into Bob in the mid-90’s and Bob told Dave that he had designed the patch.)

Larry and I still have our patches from that Ordeal: Larry’s is an S1b and I have both S1a and S1b. I have had a long and heated(?) discussion with BB folks about changing the designation of S1b to FF, also. I am morally certain both types were issued at the ’55 Ordeal.

Okay, the last bit of the story. About two weeks after the Ordeal a group of us went to the first “official” Canalino, Lodge 90, Sundance (1955). Bob was with us. The car was hardly parked before he hopped out, ran over to the dining area, unrolled his “trading blanket”, and began to test the waters with our crispy, newly minted patches. I do not think we actually checked in and got our sleeping arrangements for several hours since we had to watch Bob in action. The patch was a big success!

I also have to note that we were not a very big lodge: San Bernadino County was the largest county in the America in those days, but it spanned a lot of uninhabited mountains and desert. Further, it was a very agricultural county. Thus, the population was fairly small. So, our lodge was small and we could not order a lot of patches for budgetary reasons. Our lodge inducted less than thirty Scouts a year and we were only 3 1/2 years old in 1955. I think we only placed two or three orders of ca. 100 patches for the S1’s. Hence, they are not too common. But they were not restricted, so the prices are high, but not astronomically high.

Well, that’s it: I hope you found it interesting.

Yours in (historical) Brotherhood,
Joe Rosenthal

Oh, yes, here is the cast of characters

Of Sons and Fathers

Posted on December 22nd, 2003 in General Commentary on Life by Roy

Interesting weekend. Wife and I roadtripped to Purdue to graduate one son (Computer Engineering – hope his job doesn’t get exported to India.) Neat to see the transition and milestone. Congratulations around to all – my step-son for completing college and my wife for getting two kids through school.

But, just prior to leaving town we got a call that my dad had to be taken to the hospital. He’s got a chronic blood problem that requires blood thinners. So in all of the travels, there was regularly checking in to find out his status. Unfortunately the doctors could not determine what was leading to his recent fainting spells. But they ruled out any heart problems or blood clots. The hospital ended up discharging him as we were getting back from West Lafayette.

It brought to mind that we’re referred to as the ‘sandwich generation’ as we are taking care of our children and having care issues with our parent(s). Still, it is good to have both around. Our kids grow up way too quickly. It also needs to be a reminder to check in on our parents (I lost my mom 12 years ago when she was age 52. Now I’m approaching that point. Is a source of constant reflection and some strange emotions.)

Bernie Miller dies at age 84.

Posted on December 19th, 2003 in Hobby News by ramore

It is with VERY deep sadness that I report the passing of Bernard (Bernie) Miller at age 84 on October 4th 2003.

As a Scout from Bronx, NY he attended the 1937 National Jamboree. He served on the service corps for the 1939 New York’s World Fair. As a youth he earned the Eagle Scout rank and was a member of Ranachqua and later Man-A-Hattin lodges. As an adult, GNYC presented him with the Silver Beaver. The State of New York presented him with the George Meaney Award. He served on the staff of six national jamborees and two world jamborees. He worked with Chief Scout Executives from James West through Alden Barber.

During World War II he served in the US Army Air Corps where he was awarded the Air Medal and Distinguished Flying Cross.

Bernie was a very active and passionate enthusiast in our hobby. He received ASTA’s Boxer Award. He amassed the best BSA insignia collection. He and his wife Rita literally traveled the world in the pursuit of Scouting memorabilia. He pioneered collecting areas well before others. He was a regular presenter at the original Philadelphia TORs often taking first place.

He had a vision for creating an encyclopedia of Scouting memorabilia. To that end, he did basic and primary research on many of the major areas of our hobby. His work is reflected in the two-volume book Scouting History Through Memorabilia.

Tragedy struck the Miller family in 1970. There is a Pulitzer Prize winning photograph of a girl crying over the slain body of a Kent State University student. That student was Jeff Miller, Bernie’s youngest son. Bernie never talked about this but in handling his collection I often came across pictures of Bernie and Jeff at Scout functions. As a father myself, I don’t want to imagine the anguish this must have caused. Bernie was a deeply caring individual.

Let’s remember him for his pursuit of excellence in the hobby and for his, sometimes devilish, smile. The following is a link to a picture of Bernie standing before Mt. Fuji at the 1971 World Jamboree where he was on VIP staff. The principle components of his collection are now part of the International Scouting Museum in Las Vegas, NV.

Camp Kamargo background New York

Posted on December 17th, 2003 in Camps by ramore

Here’s some camp history that I found interesting:

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Kamp Kamargo was located approx. 1.75 hours North of Syracuse, NY on Lake Bonaparte (Off NYS Rt.3). The camp operated from 1921-1946 and was closed due to it’s inadequacies. Itwas only about 40 acres and had no privacy. The main road around the lake literally went right through camp. I am told that they had to stop traffic during Retreat. Additionally, the lake saw an ever increasing number of cottages popping up and with it, much riff-raff and partying that was not conducive to operating a Scout Camp.

In 1944(?), members of the Jefferson-Lewis Council learned of an opportunity to purchase property approx. 14 miles NE on Rt. 3, just inside the Adirondack Park boundary. Wheels of change were in motion to purchase property at Camp Portaferry. There was a series of 3 different purchases around the lake, a 40 acre lake which the current Hiawatha Seaway Council now owns 85% of the surrounding property. The camp made a much more suitable place (more room and more secluded).

There has been much speculation about the existence of an actual Kamp Kamargo patch (oral accounts comprised the only evidence) until July 2003 when I discovered that a Scout in the 1948 (or 1949) Camp Portaferry staff photo was clearly wearing both the new Camp Portaferry patch and his old Kamp Kamargo (closed at that time) patch.
-Ray

Samoset Council Wisconsin info

Posted on December 17th, 2003 in Camps by ramore

“Smiley” the Tent was designed and trademarked by Walt Disney for the Samoset council some time in the early 1950’s!

1929 World Jamboree postcard

Posted on December 9th, 2003 in Jamborees by Roy

Must be a record price. This postcard closed on eBay at $1,675

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This actually may be a fluke (raging testosterone) as the 3rd high is at $536 which is still pretty amazing. I’ve had some tell me its really not that hard.

Added 1/29/04:
Found out from Michael Feigenbaum what helped to set this card apart – its the cancellation. It is from the actual Jamboree site (Arrowe Park) rather than the neighboring city (Birkenhead). Also it is registered and hand painted on the front. Learn something new every day.


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