New Lodge 307 Karankawa Woven Discovered
At the recent Calumet Council trade-o-ree a collector showed me a fascinating piece from his collection – a rolled-edge version of the 307 Karankawa W1. He’s had the item in his collection for decades. It came from a collector out of west central Illinois in the late 1960s. What brought this to mind was his seeing on eBay recently a 300 Peta W1 also with a rolled edge.
Long-time Texas collector John Bibo was also at the TOR. We both concluded it is a real Apache-style border. Apache was the patch manufacturer. Most of their wovens came out in the 1959-1961 era. During that period Scouting was looking at ways to save money on patch costs and used them for a while. They made about 15 OA flaps or patches, about the same number of council patches, and many council activity and camp patches during this time. Very few though had rolled edges. The most noteworthy are what we call proto-types, most likely promotional samples, of the 1960 50th anniversary of the BSA patches for Camporee, Field Day, and Cub-o-ree.
Here’s the picture of the 307:
Some of Apache made lodge flaps had rolled edges but most did not. If anyone has more information, please post it.
on May 29th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Roy-
Thanks for the post. It will be interesting to see if more surface, and if so how many. Right now, I’d catalog as a prototype until we know more. Irv Block may have been a member then. Roger Sch. came in shortly there after. Conley’s never mentioned seeing one.
Thanks,
Tracy
on May 30th, 2008 at 11:31 am
I can not believe this is a new issue it has to be a one of a kind
prototype put away long ago. I can guarantee you that Pat Laird would
have had one in his collection if it was an issue. I can also promise
you that Lou Carter would have had one as well. Two years ago I bought a
Lodge 35 s issue that was obviously made by the company doing the F3
issue as the patches are identical except for mine is fully embroidered.
I would not begin to try and claim it is an undiscovered issued I am
sure it is a prototype ordered by someone with in the lodge to see what
it would look like or to propose to the boys simply changing to a fully
embroidered flap.